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More info on Messenger from Steven Abrahams

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I’ve just stumbled across a great blog entry from Steven Abrahams, Lead Program Manager for Windows Live Messenger, that gives the most in-depth overview of the new features in Messenger that I’ve seen yet. Check it out at: http://stevenkabrahams.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4912266378581A64!829.entry#post


UPDATE: And more new information here: http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog/2008/09/21/ResponseToSomeFeedbackOnWhatsNewInWindowsLiveMessenger.aspx from Dare Obasanjo


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September 21, 2008 at 3:26 pm

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More on storing Messenger conversations on the Mesh

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3 weeks ago I wrote a blog entry Storing Messenger conversations on the Mesh where I said:

Currently I don’t save my Live Messenger conversations … Wouldn’t it be cool if all of our Messenger conversations were automatically saved to the Mesh? That way every conversation I have would be recorded and I would be able to search through them all as well.

I made the same suggestion on the Live Mesh forum along with some reasons why this would be a good idea and whilst there was general support for the idea it was suggested that instead I configure Messenger to automatically store all of my conversations and then sync the "C:UsersjamieDocumentsMy Received Files<ID>" folder using Mesh. This I did and its been working pretty well for me (I recommend trying it for yourself) and now, as you can see below, I have a history of all of my Messenger conversations synchronised across all of my machines:


After using this for a few weeks now though I have realised that there are some fallacies to this approach that could be alleviated by having Messenger automatically store conversations to Mesh; those being:

  • All conversations with the same person are stored in the same file thus if you have a conversation with the same person on different machines then there will likely be a file conflict. When you resolve that conflict then at least one of the conversations gets lost.
  • The Mesh client is a pre-requisite.
  • Conversations done on the web using a Messenger web interface don’t get captured anywhere.
  • Files that are transferred don’t get stored.
  • Anything done in the Activity window is lost.
  • Audio conversations are lost.
  • Video conversations are lost.

All of these could be alleviated if Messenger was "Meshified". Let me just clarify what I mean by that; it does not mean that all your Messenger conversations need to be conducted on www.mesh.com, it means that the Messenger service in the cloud (the one through which orchestrates all Messenger conversations) becomes responsible for storing your conversations on the Mesh.

I’m going to be actively campaigning for the Messenger team to implement this. Is anyone with me?


In the clubhouse: clubhouse, Messenger, How-to, Mesh

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August 11, 2008 at 6:06 pm

Posted in Live Messenger

Inside “Inside Messenger”

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I’m on a Live Messenger tip tonight.

I’ve been checking out the Inside Messenger bot (otherwise known as a Windows Live Agent) and having a lot of fun with it. As you can see below I’ve been checking out the new House of Cards video from Radiohead. Its hosted on Youtube but I’ve no need to go to Youtube to watch it because I can watch it right from within Live Messenger using Inside Messenger and, not only that, I can twitter about it at the same time. All from the same conversation window.




If you want to do the same then its dead simple, just go and add chat@insidemessenger.com to your Messenger buddy list and you’ll be away.


Cool stuff.


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July 18, 2008 at 10:52 pm

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What is the UK’s most popular web application?

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In terms of minutes spent online, what do you suppose is the UK’s most popular web-based website or service? Google? Facebook? iTunes? eBay? Maybe Second Life? MySpace perhaps? Well if you said one of those you’d be wrong on all counts, its actually Windows Live Messenger….and by some distance too.

Check out the latest standings as gathered from a report by Nielson Online.


I was quite shocked when I saw that, I never expected Live Messenger to top all that lot but I’m happy that it does. I’m a big believer that Messenger is an incredibly underused tool and I said so in my blog post I believe that Agents are our future… back in December 2007:

I look forward to the day when I am able to view my bank balance, pay my bills, purchase things from Amazon, book flights, view live flight information, update personal details that people may have about me and do countless other things that I haven’t thought of yet all from within my Live Messenger window.

Thanks to Riann for the tip. You can catch Riann on Twitter by the way at http://twitter.com/riaanvs, he’s got quite a lot to say about Messenger.


Windows Live Tags: Clubhouse, Story, Live Messenger, Messenger

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July 18, 2008 at 10:10 pm

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IE8 Activities in Live Messenger

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Did you catch the MIX08 keynote today? I did and I gotta tell you, I was pretty impressed by a lot of things. Not least IE8 which up to now I’d been completely dismissive of, it didn’t interest me in the slightest. Until they showed Activities and Web Slices that is. I thought Activities in particular were a great idea and figured I would love to see the same functionality in Live Messenger. Hence, I submitted the following to http://feedback.live.com:
I have just watched the Mix08 opening keynote where IE8 was being demonstrated. This included a new feature – Activities. The first thing I thought was “This would be great inside Live Messenger”.
Simple scenario: someone I’m chatting with sends me an address. Wouldn’t it be great if I could select that address and up pops a Virtual Earth map showing that address?
The great thing about Activities is that Microsoft are trying to introduce them as a standard hence any Activity that works on IE8 would (in theory) work on Messenger as well.
[which I’ve added to my feedback lista as well]
What do you think? Would you like to see Activities in live Messenger? let me know in the comments.
P.S. If you want to understand exactly what Activities and Web Slices are then take a look at this video on Activities:
and this one on web slices:

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March 6, 2008 at 2:43 am

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Presence pontification

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The notion of presence is a fairly big deal in Windows Live right now. Primarily Windows Live users express their presence through the use of Windows Live Messenger which can convey whether you are online, offline, away, in a meeting etc … and in turn can also show the presence of your various contacts. Supplementary to that is the Messenger Presence API and IM Control which enables someone to publish their presence (remember, as defined by Windows Live Messenger) on any web page just like I’m doing here:


Very useful stuff.


I said "fairly big deal" and that’s because I’m of the opinion that there are still a few shortcomings with how presence is implemented by Windows Live. Namely:

  • Presence is only published from Windows Live Messenger
  • We can’t control who can see our presence
  • There isn’t much presence information available

I’ll expand on those points here.


1. Presence is only published from Windows Live Messenger

Windows Live ID is used for user authentication in countless places other than Windows Live Messenger. Off the top of my head I can think of MSDN forums, Zune Social, Connect, Office Live Workgroups, XBox Live, Expedia, MSN, Windows Live Spaces & Hotmail that all use Windows Live ID for user authentication, so if I’m using one of those services then surely I’m online. Right? Why shouldn’t that be reflected in my Messenger status?

Of course, Microsoft are typically sensitive to privacy around the Windows Live ID so a person would have to specify that they are allowing this type of information should be published.


2. We can’t control who can see our presence

Currently all of our contacts see the same status, we can’t specify a different status for different contacts or groups of contacts. This is one of my pet peeves about Windows Live Messenger and I’ve seen many submissions on Connect that agree with me. I hope that the advent of Windows Live Groups will also bring with it the ability to specify a different status for each group of contacts.


3. There isn’t much presence information available

Following on from what I said above, instead of the rather monotonous "Online" a person’s Messenger status could instead read something like "Online on Zune Social" or "Browsing flights on Expedia" (I’m sure Expedia wouldn’t be averse to the extra publicity).

So that covers the WHAT, but there’s nothing that currently covers the WHERE. With the increasing proliferation of GPS-enabled phones there’s a real opportunity for publishing your location to anyone whom you may want to see it. I’ve talked a lot about this before, I see a lot of value in being able to know where my family and friends are.

Similarly, why stop at my real life presence? I remain convinced that Microsoft will be releasing a Second Life competitor later this year so why shouldn’t my virtual world status be reflected in my real-life status also?


Like I say, Messenger Presence can be improved a great deal. I hope we don’t have to wait too long to see some of these improvements.


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February 18, 2008 at 4:37 am

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Messenger pervades

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The ability to send people instant messages on the Live Messenger platform is expanding. Already it is possible to send/receive from IMs from your XBox, its now possible from Windows Media Center, and I strongly suspect that instant messaging will be built into Zune Social soon as well.

As Messenger starts to permeate other Microsoft properties I believe the requirement to show different statuses to different groups of people becomes more important. I personally would like the ability to appear online to all my work colleagues but offline to everyone else so that I don’t get distracted whilst I’m at work; I foresee that people would like to (for example) appear online to all their Xbox buddies while they’re using XBox Live but offline to everyone else. This functionality has been requested by people since version 8.0 of Live Messenger but still it hasn’t been provided, I hope that changes in the upcoming version 9.0.

With this in mind  I have just posted the following suggestion to the forums at Zune Social:

Zune Social is cool in that you can see who likes the same music as you and meet them etc… but any conversation that you have is via messages that you leave in their [Zune Social] inbox.

Hence, I’d love the ability to IM people from within Zune Social. The newly released Messenger Presence API and Messenger IM Control (http://dev.live.com/messenger/) could easily provide this ability. So, my request is that you give us the ability to see if people are online and IM them from Zune Social (to all the privacy advocates out there…don’t worry…the Presence API puts you in charge of who can IM you.)

Moreover, I’d like the ability to add people to my list of contacts. If they automatically appeared in a contact group called (e.g.) "Zune Social" then so much the better.

If you’re a Zune Social member and you think this would be a good idea, click through and add your weight to my request.



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January 13, 2008 at 5:48 pm

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